ABC News -- TAPPER: Kind of a -- a theoretical question, but what -- at what point does an attack become considered a terrorist attack, even -- even if it's a domestic terrorist attack? GIBBS: I don't know that I would have the theoretical background to -- to answer that. I would pose that to somebody at -- at the FBI. But, again, I don't know that we're at a point yet where we fully understand motive. TAPPER: OK. In terms of the House health care reform bill, right now one of the big logjams, as you know, has to do with abortion language and also has to do with whether or not illegal immigrants, undocumented workers can have access to the health insurance exchanges. Those are both issues that you have said from this podium, I think, that should have...